Michael Jackson’s father, Joseph, has been dealt a legal blow — by his own wife!
Katherine Jackson’s attorney, Adam Streisand, has confirmed for me that his client no longer objects to the permanent appointment of their son’s executors. Katherine Jackson will now agree to John Branca and John McClain running Michael’s estate.
Since Katherine and Michael’s children are the only named heirs to Michael’s estate, it’s now expected the judge, Mitchell Beckloff, will make his final approvals.
This pretty much undercuts the crazy and lengthy objection Joseph Jackson has filed with the court to overturn Michael’s will and oust the executors. It’s poetic justice that Joseph Jackson has been undone by his own wife. Michael must be smiling in heaven.
Streisand, in an e-mail, did tell me that Katherine is not, however, objecting to her husband getting an allowance from the estate.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
From whose part of the estate would that allowance to Joe come – from hers, the childrens’ or the part set aside for charities?
He’s not in the will, so any allowance, as I understand it, would be given at her discretion with her money. The children have no obligation to support their grandfather.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Like a good wife, she doesn’t want her husband unsupported. But her actions show that SHE’S done using the family chest to provide for Joe Jackson. MJ always acknowledged that Katherine doled out his money to the family. By providing for her, he was providing for others. I think that Joe’s flagrant escorting of buxom babes and courting shade ace coon boons who’ve been flocking to him has been the last straw for Mrs. Jackson.
In his complaint, he said that what MJ provided to them monthly was even MORE than what was afforded after his death. Notice that he was asking for 15,000 grand a month. That sounds about the usual he’d gotten to keep his estate in Vegas (away from Mike’s mama). Wonder how he’s getting pocket change now.
I don’t begrudge Joe. He’s an old dog. He needs to go sit down somewhere instead of trying to be big pimpin on folks tv screen. He’s got dozens of grandbabies to give peppermints to, instead of stealing inheritances from.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Michael has become a meal ticket for people and it’s very sad! Seems instead of morning for this wonderful human being all anyone wants is to make money off him any way they can!!!!
November 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Whilome – How is Joe getting his pocket change at the moment? By turning up at any dodgey event he can some how weazle his way in to. He’s doing what he’s always done but ten fold this time. Selling out his son in order to put money in his pockets.
Michael once said since Joe’s had Grandkids he calmed down. I ask myself, if this is a “calm Joe” then what the hell was he really like when he wasn’t “calm”
November 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
WELL JOE YOUR GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVE NOTHING!!!!! LOL LOOKS LIKE YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO DOWN SIZE YOUR LIVING SPACE FROM ESTATE TO A 1 BEDROOM APARTMENT
November 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I think Katherine is getting $26,000 from MJ’s estate. If she want Joe to have something then she can give him $10,000 of hers. I hope Joe doesn’t get a dime.I am sick of him.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Lala: He was calm until cameras turned his way and his old cronies started treating him like a Playa-Playa!
@A.Darton: The will is not probated yet. She doesn’t have the inheritance, she has an allowance in which almost every dime was accounted for. There has always been staff at Hayvenhurst. She can’t be breaking him off a piece like she did when MJ was alive. If he’d been patient, it would have come to him.
Breaking News: Joe Jackson’s attorney Brian Oxman accused Katherine in open court of “reneging on a deal with the family to protest the executors” and “striking a deal with Branca and McClain”. The “striking a deal” part isn’t important (it was in the estate’s best interest anyway), but to acknowledge that members of the family (read: Joe and maybe Randy) coerced Katherine to contest?!! Good grief. I’m just glad that they’ll close ranks behind Katherine to stop all this foolishness.
November 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
You know what it is just sad how people in this country think of and treat the elderly especially people who are supposed to be parents of anyone … I mean I believe that Joe can be a scum at times and I believe it has plenty to do with the people around him more so than just him wholeheartedly. I don’t think Michael treated his dad like a scum as everyone likes to put it out there, especially those who like to postulate like they knew the daily ins and outs of that family and they were extremely close confidants of that family. I don’t know why Roger and TMZ won’t stop speaking to others out there and getting hearsay information that is very much so always defamatory to Joe Jackson. I haven’t heard one positive news piece on this guy and I doubt he is has bad as everyone likes to say because if he was then his other kids would have more to say about him. Reporters use a few interviews by M.J. and painted this man a devil from those few and even when he gave positive press about his father, they rely mostly on negative information of the past. Just think: we hardly ever heard anything too much about this guy when M.J. was alive and the only time we heard much was when something huge was going on in Michael’s life that is when we saw or heard about Joe Jackson in the spotlight wanting something etc etc. Now in saying that my point is that I am almost certain that he was caring for his father prior to his death so he has a right to request money to care for himself from the estate but I sometimes get upset because of all the sleaze bags around him … ex-lawyers like Brian Oxman who can’t keep his trap shut, that ex-manager Leonard Rowe etc etc etc … instead of encouraging their friend to change or obtain good from a very sad experience, they are like leaches egging him on to continue with his disgraceful behavior that make the world hate him rather than feel bad for him which they should. This culture sucks and other cultures are so much more respectful.
I wonder why Janet isn’t doing anything for her dad?
November 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
IF Joe Jackson receives anything from the estate, I hope the judge has the good sense to remove at least 2 of the items Joe listed as his monthly expenses: $300 for the daughter he had outside of his marriage to Katherine and $300 for the grandchild who was born to that daughter.
Michael should not have to pay for these people and neither should Katherine.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
It might be a simple reference, but the movie produced by Jermaine called “The Jacksons: An American Dream” comes to mind when thinking of the torment that Michael, his siblings and wife endured early in their lives. It would stand to reason that with the power Michael wielded in life, that Joe stayed in the shadows. Now Michael is not here to counter his father and Joe is running amuck.
For whatever the reasoning or background plan, it is about time Team Branca is appointed as the rightful executors. I just hope they don’t give Joe a red cent, unless we could be assured Joe would disappear from the public eye.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
TMZ reported this he moment it happened in the courtroom plus they had the press conference afterwards. Sorry, Roger, you are late.
I have no problem with an 80 year old man getting an allowance. I am sure Michael would want him to have it. He forgave his dad years ago and said he loved him. It’s the press that feel the need to milk what happened over 40 years ago. They need to get over it.
Did Joe go rogue by going to court? Absolutely. I am sure he’s getting a tongue lashing from Katherine and his children about this.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
You would think that with the success of the Jackson 5, and other business dealings that he probably had, that Joe would have been able to set himself up years ago, and in his old age, not have to rely on handouts from MJ even in death.
In fact, if he were a decent husband and a good provider, he would have provided for his wife too, and not have her rely on her son’s money. But we are not on that planet in this case.
This doesn’t have anything to do with lack of respect for parents, or our elders.
This is about soaking MJ in death as was done in life.
If MJ had wanted his father to get more, he would have named him in his will. End of story. I hope that everything stays the way he wanted it.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
I think MJ wanted his father to get some of his money, he just wanted to give Katherine the power to dole it out, as had been the status quo for so many years. It seems that the will was designed to continue that status quo, but during this will probate Katherine is getting a lower monthly income so she can’t provide as much to Joe. Respect for elders is important, and I think MJ adhered to that. Joe is old now and he also seems to have early stage alzheimers or something like it because he is much different now than I remember him being 20 years ago. He needs to rest and stay out of the public eye.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Only beneficiaries get allowances. The allowances are to tide the beneficiaries over until the estate goes through probate which can take some time. Anyone who is not a beneficiary has no claim to an allowance. Clearly Joe is not a beneficiary.
Michael was a pretty soft hearted guy so for Michael to leave Joe out of his will says volumes. Joe should have treated his son better.
Joe’s chickens have come home to roost.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Once the will goes through probate and Katherine starts receiving her 40% income share from the trust, Katherine can spend HER money however she wants. If she then wants to support Joe with HER money, that’s her option, but every bit of the children’s income has to be accounted for and cannot be used to support Joe nor can he have any access to it.
It is not uncommon for wills to take a year or two to go through probate, so Joe is out of luck until then. Katherine could ask the court to increase her allowance to support Joe and treat it as a loan against her future income from the trust, but I doubt that the court will allow that since the intent of the will didn’t include supporting Joe.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
“Katherine could ask the court to increase her allowance to support Joe and treat it as a loan against her future income from the trust, but I doubt that the court will allow that since the intent of the will didn’t include supporting Joe.”
The intent of the will didn’t include supporting Debbie Rowe either, but she’s getting paid.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:42 am
@Simba: Let it go. Everyone knows that Katherine and Debbie “struck a deal” to continue the spousal support if she stayed in her lane, i.e. didn’t fight for custody. Does it make Debbie mercenary? Yep. Was it still a smart decision to not break up siblings? Yep. Having Debbie in the position to take back her “gifts” in the event of his death is MJ’s fault. It seems to me that Debbie’s main sticking point is she didn’t want Joe around her kids. Is that unreasonable? Even if I gave up a kid for open adoption, I wouldn’t have picked Joe Jackson as the adoptive parent. The money Debbie gets is “shush money”. Everyone knows it, including the lawyers, the executors, hell, even the family court judge knows it. That’s why Katherine hasn’t gotten called to the carpet for the court ordered visitation. She SHOULD be in contempt, but SURPRISE, she hasn’t been;-)
November 11th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Debbie Rowe’s allowance arrangement stays valid inspite of MJs death. That is why the estate never challenged or questioned this obligation.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:59 am
I’ll say this, the continuing saga of the Estate of Michael Jackson must be like manna from Heaven for EP Professors across the country!
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Hi JUST GUESSING – Your post @ 10:01 pm is spot on. However, the idea that Katherine Jackson could go to court and request an allowance increase for the express purpose of providing financial support for Joe Jackson until the estate is settled is highly improbable. Rather, it is highly improbable that the Court would ever approve such a request. She too must account for her allowance during the probate process. Joe Jackson is not a beneficiary to his sons estate.
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Hi ANNA – Katherine Jackson will receive her 40% share of profits generated by the trust, however, that cannot happen until the estate has been settled. Until that time she must account for her expenses and they (her expenses) must be approved by the Court. According to court documents, Mr. Jackson was the sole provider of financial support for his children and his mother. It is for this reason the co-Executors requested the Court approve an allowance for each of them during the probate period.
Although, it is interesting to note that when the issue of an allowance first came up, Katherine Jackson requested she receive a personal allowance of $33,500.00 per month. Upon examination of her expenses, the Judge Beckloff rejected her request and approved a monthly stipend of $26,804.00.
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Hi SIMBA – Mr. Jackson’s Will does not call for nor require there to be three (3) co-Executors. Mr. Jackson appointed three (3) co-Executors at the time the Will was drafted. Mr. Jackson’s Last Will states:
“I appoint JOHN BRANCA, JOHN McCLAIN and BARRY SlEGEL as co-Executors
of this Will. In the event of any of their deaths, resignations, inability, failure or refusal to serve or continue to serve as a co-Executor, the other shall Serve and no replacement need be named. The co-Executors serving at any time after my death may name one or more replacements to serve in the event that none of the three named individuals is willing or able to serve at anytime.”
According to documents submitted to the Court at the time the Will was presented, Mr. Siegel resigned his appointment as co-Executor in a letter dated August 26, 2003, when his employment with Mr. Jackson was terminated. As stipulated by Mr. Jackson’s written instruction, as long as Mr. Branca or Mr. McClain are willing and competently able to manage their roles as co-Executor, no replacement(s) need be named nor is it required by law.
In his Will, Mr. Jackson empowered Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain with the authority to name replacements in the event they become unable to fulfill their responsibilities due to death or resignation.
The court has no interest in sentiment or emotion. All documentation currently available establishes that Mr. Jackson’s wishes were that Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain oversee his affairs upon his death.
Debbie Rowe only collects money until the terms of the original, court approved, divorce agreement between Ms. Rowe and Mr. Jackson are satisfied. Mr. Jackson’s Estate is obligated to honor the terms of the agreement. (Ms. Rowe receives her settlement in annual increments.) Mr. Jackson intentionally excluded her from receiving additional monies in his Last Will. Ms. Rowe’s payments – as scheduled – conclude in the next few years at which point she will no longer receive payments from the Estate.
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After reading the transcript from yesterday, I found Mr. Streisand’s (magnanimous) offering on behalf of Katherine Jackson laugh-out-loud funny. He said:
“It’s high time that the fighting ends. She [Katherine Jackson] feels that Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain have been doing an admirable job, we’re going to try to partner with them and work closely with them to make sure that the estate is doing the best that it can for the legacy of Michael Jackson, for the kids, most importantly.”
Really? This is world-class legal posturing LA-style… Get ready for a brand new spin-cycle! I only wish I could have been in the court room to see the faces of Judge Beckloff and Howard Weitzman when that line was delivered.
Anyway, hope this helps! Hope all is well for you. Please excuse any typos. Cheers.
As a matter of record I state I am in no way affiliated with the Estate of Michael Jackson.
**DISCLAIMER: This information is not intended to substitute for professional legal advice and does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should accept legal advice only from a licensed legal professional with whom you have an attorney-client relationship.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:54 am
To the above^ poster: You find Streisand’s offer of an olive leaf laughable? None of us knows what’s going on in the household but here are some sources who are close to it: Roger, TMZ and Bill Zwecker of the Suntimes. They have snitches that are reporting the goings on of the family. Zwecker reported a while back that Janet was in a screaming match with Latoya over La’s statements about Michael’s murder, and other statements.
And isn’t it strange that Janet is not known to have given her dad an “allowance” even though she’s in a position to do so? (or we think she is; she’s the only one constantly working)
I, too, feel that Katherine will ask for a bump up in allowance to help support Joe; even if it’s $5000. She cannot agree to his parading those Latinas to the red carpet events; or maybe she’s just too old to care.
This latest move by Joe just shows desperation and that other tactics haven’t worked. He was getting (per Roger) $200K for interviews, so the interviews have run dry. What happened to the money? What does that man do with his money? He should have a trust fund for his grandkids.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:56 am
If MJ had wanted his father to get any money after his death, the will would have said so. He didn’t just forget to put it there. He may have forgiven his father, but obviously, whatever forgiveness or love he may have felt, it didn’t help him in his life and he did not express it in the will.
Personally, I don’t think MJ ever got over what happened to him, and though he said Joe tried to be a better father in later years, it seems he never really managed to change. You don’t laugh and make thumbs up the day after your son dies. Joseph destroyed his son and even made him pay for the abuse for forty years.
November 11th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Does anyone know(like MJuls ) whether Lisa Presley is still getting a percentage of the HIStory album sales, did that agreement continue through MJ’s death?
Please, no ulterior motives with this question, I for one, do not doubt that she had tremendous feelings for him.
As for Joe, sorry, but I really think Michael(with the exception of his Mother) paid to keep the family away from him. Sad but true they led separate lives.
I found the pictures of the crypt(if it is above ground it is technically a crypt, the hall which encases it is a mausoleum) rather disturbing, I just wasn’t prepared for those pictures with TMZ across the front, don’t know how the rest of the world felt.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I think if Katherine wants old creepy Joe to have money, she should give him it from her money. Perfect response Axom! Michael hated Joe and if he wanted him to have an “allowance” he would have specified it in his will. This man is the ultimate creepy user. Remember what he said right after Michael died — Buy Blu Ray!.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Simba,
Debbie is in a different category. Debbie had a legal contract with Michael that is valid even after his death. It is a valid claim against the estate that the executors will handle (Katherine has no input into that). It’s amazing to me how many women think someone who was married to Michael and had two children for him should get nothing. Compared to Michael’s vast fortune what Debbie is receiving is meager. The clause concerning Debbie only means she can’t make further claims beyond that contract.
Michael disinherited Joe. End of story. Joe can throw all the legal tantrums he wants. It doesn’t change Michael’s wishes.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Once again, KATHERINE HAS NO SAY ABOUT WHAT MONEY DEBBIE GETS FROM THE ESTATE.
Some people here need to get that idea that she does out of their heads. It’s false.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Joe is 81 years old, give the old man an allowance and tell him to go some where and shut the “H” up. No one wants to here anything else from him. I think the people in control of MJ’s estate will do what’s right, they may even have alittle compassion for the old guy. Then there is always Janet, can’t she help out Joe? I can see that Michael went through alot. Family,all his life he had to support his family. Then there were back stabbing so call friends, and last but not least, The Media. I sincerely pray MJ is at peace now.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
So here it is, Brian Oxman admitting in court that it has been the Jackson family, who are not heirs, pressuring Katherine to fight the executors. I bet that went over well with the judge. What an ass Oxman is.
“Streisand announced in court Tuesday morning that Katherine Jackson “feels it’s high time that the fighting ends.”
“She feels that Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain have been doing an admirable job,” Streisand said. “We’re going to try to partner with them and work closely with them to make sure that the estate is doing the best that it can for the legacy of Michael Jackson, for the kids, most importantly.”
Streisand said Katherine Jackson kept the decision a secret from the rest of her family until Tuesday.
It drew a harsh response from attorney Brian Oxman, who on Monday filed Joe Jackson’s challenge of Branca and McClain. It was a fight that Oxman said Katherine Jackson had promised she would help wage.
“She has now reneged on her obligation to her family,” Oxman told the judge. Joe Jackson’s lawyer said Katherine Jackson’s reversal was “one of the most despicable displays” he’s ever seen in court.”
http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/joe-jackson-michael-jackson-estate-katherine/#comments
I think it’s obvious who was making the despicable display in court. That would be Mr. Oxman.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Sorry, that was the wrong link.
The right one.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/10/michael.jackson.estate/index.html
November 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
If Debbie Rowe has a valid claim against Michael Jackson’s estate, shouldn’t she have filed a creditor’s claim and gotten in line with the seventy or so others? She used her potential right to custody of the children as a weapon.
When Ms. Rowe sought to relinquish her parental rights a few years ago, did she express any reservations as to the children being around their grandfather or anyone else?
Ms. Rowe stated on more than one occasion that she had the children as a “gift” to MJ, and had no interest in being their mother. In return, she received millions of dollars and a home. While it’s true that his fortune is vast, one could not characterize what she has received as “meager”.
I never thought I would be in the position of defending Joe Jackson! But we’ve been told over and over that what’s in MJ’s last will and testament is set in stone, when it’s clear that it’s really set in sand. (If Prince Michael Malachi Jet Jackson gets his DNA test and it’s proven that he is MJ’s biological son, does anybody really believe he’s going to go back to San Francisco empty-handed, no matter what the will says?)
Joe Jackson was not disinherited, i.e. specifically excluded from benefitting from the estate. He is elderly, and may not be in full command of his faculties. The amount he is asking for is a pittance compared to his son’s estate. MJ stated on numerous occasions that he had forgiven his father. Joe should get an allowance.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Simba, you’re wrong.
Debbie’s claim will be handled the same way all claims against the estate. She still has her parental rights whether you like it or not. Her main concern was Joe Jackson which is a concern most people had. (This is a father who used his son’s death as an opportunity to advertise his new business venture.)
Joe Jackson was disinherited. Accept it.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Just Guessing – really, it’s not that deep! I don’t care if Ms. Rowe still has her parental rights or not. When she wanted more money before, her “main concern” was the Nation of Islam security guards around MJ and the kids. Next time, maybe it will be the nanny. It’s hypocritical to characterize the Jacksons as lazy and greedy, but not Ms. Rowe. Money makes people do strange things, and huge money like MJ had can drive people absolutely insane.
Joe’s actions indicate that he may be getting senile. Old people often say things which can sound callous and uncaring.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Harvey Levin is saying that the administrators are open to giving Joe an allowance–this is info I’ve only seen from him.
But even if Joe does receive an allowance, that allowance will stop after the will is probated. It will then be up to Katherine to decide if she wants to continue supporting Joe. Hopefully any allowance Joe gets will come from Katherine’s share and money won’t be taken away from the children. It still remains to be seen whether the judge will approve it if this is true. He has in the past limited how much allowance Katherine gets and has not given her all she’s asked for.
I think it’s a safe bet that IF Joe does get an allowance that he won’t be satisfied no matter how much it is.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
“Old people often say things which can sound callous and uncaring.” Seems Joe Jackson has been senile for many years.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Simba,
I’m not going to keeping on arguing with you. You don’t like Debbie Rowe. I get that, but your dislike of her doesn’t change the facts of the matter.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
The family bought plots all around Michael’s burial-site. He won’t be able to avoid them even in death. I hope at least there will be some distance to his father.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Just Guessing – apt name, as you are just guessing as to what I feel about Debbie Rowe. Actually I don’t dislike Debbie Rowe – if I knew her I might like her enormously. But she’s never going to be Mother of the Year.
I do believe she should have visitation with the children, and if Katherine Jackson is thwarting that, she’s wrong. But the kids are more than half-grown. It’s like the song – too much, too little, too late. Still, they may grow to love her. Ms. Rowe and the children deserve the chance to find out.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
@axon: MJ loved his family. Don’t act like that. It serves Klein to think that he and Elizabeth Taylor were “like family” to him, but he was in Vegas for his father’s birthday party. He was at Joe and Katherine’s anniversary dinner (that the family gets together now in lieu of their traditional “family day” reunion). He held family reunions for even the Chi-town and southern Jackson’s at Neverland. The sisters, all of them, had contact with his children and there’s no doubt that Katherine did. The last year was bad because Katherine, Tito, Randy and Janet kept trying to stage interventions. You are aware of that, right? That’s not in dispute. A drug addict will try to “avoid” the loved ones begging him to get clean.
Don’t deify the man by putting his blood relatives down. What does that serve now that his children is in the bosom of the family?
November 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Even Katherine’s lawyer denied that Debbie was after money when talking to Katherine about visitation. Debbie did try to work that out with Katherine without the court’s involvement, but if Kaatherine is not living up to the agreement, then Debbie has to take it to family court.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The relationship with family members who come from an abusive home is complicated, and just because people may show up at an occasional family gathering and are civil to each other doesn’t mean all is well. It’s just keeping the peace and not getting involved in fighting with family or bringing up old wounds and is a way of keeping your distance and a form of emotional self-protection.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Judge names pair of executors for Jackson estate
Tue Nov 10, 9:18 pm ET
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A judge made Michael Jackson’s longtime attorney and a music executive the executors of his estate on Tuesday, giving them broad powers to run the late pop star’s affairs despite objections from his father.
The judge’s ruling came after an attorney for the “Thriller” singer’s mother, Katherine Jackson, said she had no objection to John Branca and John McClain running the estate…
Until now, attorney Branca and music executive McClain have handled the estate as administrators, but legal experts said being named executors gives them broader powers and makes it harder for anyone to challenge their position.
“I think that the decision today means there won’t be any further challenge,” said attorney Beth Kaufman, a partner at the Washington, D.C., law firm Caplin & Drysdale, and an expert on estates…
Beckloff said Joe Jackson, who had a contentious relationship with his son, was excluded from the estate’s assets under the singer’s will and family trust, and therefore had no standing to challenge Branca or McClain.
“That was a decision his son made,” Beckloff said in court. “I don’t see how (Joe Jackson’s) affected by the appointment of Branca or McClain as executors.”
In recent months, Katherine Jackson also had objected to the way Branca and McClain ran the estate, and she demanded greater say. But last month, she replaced her legal team and on Tuesday her new attorney, Adam Streisand, said Katherine approves of Branca and McClain.
Even though Branca and McClain were named executors, legal experts said JACKSON’S ESTATE IS LIKELY TO STAY TIED UP IN THE COURT SYSTEM FOR YEARS as a judge oversees matters such as paying creditors and making business deals.
“A year in the blink of an eye will be gone, and they probably won’t have scratched the surface,” said Michael Dave, an attorney who handles probate and estate matters with the Los Angeles firm Marcus, Watanabe, Snyder and Dave.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091111/en_nm/us_jackson;_ylt=AsoWrq4N4tppgxHU8nvbSKBb.nQA;_ylu=X3oDMTJnNmhvOWVvBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkxMTExL3VzX2phY2tzb24EcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3BhZ2luYXRlX3N1bW1hcnlfbGlzdARzbGsDanVkZ2VuYW1lc3Bh
November 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Does anybody know what happened to the life insurance? I read somewhere that he had a life insurance policy worth about $20Mil? Who were the beneficiaries?
November 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Okay, I found something on the net about the life insurance. It seems the benef’s are the children.
The King of Pop’s family are planning legal action against the assistant who they reportedly believe kept the cash that had been put aside for insurance.
Dr Steven Hoefflin, the plastic surgeon who became one of Jackson’s closest friends, said that the affair highlighted the “deception and incompetence” of the hangers-on who surrounded the singer in his final days.
“The family have told me that, utterly unbelievably and horrifyingly, one of his aides did not keep up with payments in the last months of his life. They believe he was pocketing the money,” he told The Sun.
“This was hugely important to him – it was money for his children. The family are furious and they are now seeking a lawsuit against the person believed responsible.
“It is incredible, and just stands of further proof of the levels of deception and incompetence of the sharks that surround Michael.”
Because the final payments were missed it is understood that Jackson’s children will now receive around $2.5 million rather than the $22.5 million to which they would have been entitled.
Jackson was around $400 million in debt when he died, having squandered a fortune once estimated at $1 billion.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Do not automatically trust Hoefflin. Years ago, he was accused of having sexually harassed employees, as well as having fondled patients when they were put under – among them Elisabeth Taylor and Michael Jackson. He was also accused of having put patients under, put back the clocks, waken them up and telling them they had been given a small nose job, when in fact he had done nothing. I remember when this story broke, so it’s not something fabricated recently.
“Michael loved his family” is a very vague concept. Sometimes wanting to love, and being given the a real opportunity to love, are two different things. Anyway, Joe was not in the will, and that’s it.
AEG had their own insurance, but they wouldn’t get full coverage until Michael Jackson had been examined by a physician in London. I don’t know of private insurance that MJ took out.
November 11th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
About Klein – he admitted on camera that he administered “small doses” of Demerol to someone he considered be a drug addict, which is nuts. He is utterly incoherent and he made 179 procedures on MJ during the spring, which is also nuts – including filling his lips, making him look even more strange. He may have loved MJ, but he was not a friend in the good sense of the word, to judge from his actions. Had MJ stayed close to him, if he had refused him this “medical treatment”? Who knows.
November 11th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
HI MARY MAUDE HENRY – Yes, Ms. Presley receives her percentage of HIStory album sales in perpetuity.
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HI SIMBA – There is no need for Debbie Rowe to file a Creditor’s Claim. Her divorce settlement with Mr. Jackson is legally binding until the terms are satisfied. The Estate is correct in recognizing Mr. Jackson’s obligation.
Mr. Jackson’s Will specifically excludes provisions for any additional “issue” (children) should they exist. On page one (I), section one(I), of his Will Mr. Jackson states that he has no other living or deceased children. On page three (III), section four (IV) is the clause: “EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS WILL OR IN THE TRUST REFERRED TO IN ARTICLE III HEREOF, I HAVE INTENTIONALLY OMITTED TO PROVIDE FOR MY HEIRS.” In layperson terms this means if Mr. Jackson did not SPECIFICALLY recognize you in his Will or in his Trust you get nothing. Period.
If it were proven that Mr. Jackson had another biological or adopted child, they would not be entitled to any part of Mr. Jackson’s Estate.
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HI JUST GUESSING – If the quotes you are contributing to Mr. Levin are correct, he is only partially correct. Now that Judge Beckloff has ruled Misters Branca and McClain co-Executors, Mr. Levin is correct in his assertion that they may solicit the Court for permission to provide Joe Jackson an allowance during the probate process. He is also correct when he says any allowance agreement would end once the Estate is probated. However, Mr. Jackson’s beneficiaries need to agree and the Judge must sign-off.
Judge Beckloff has already stated that Joe Jackson was excluded from Mr. Jackson’s Will and Trust. Getting him to approve the request COULD prove problematic. Not only does such a request encroach upon Mr. Jackson’s wishes, Joe Jackson may find himself having to prove to the Court he has no other financial means of support. This could be an arduous task for someone as high-profile as Joe Jackson who spent the better part of the summer making personal appearances and granting interviews for which he was reportedly compensated. It is my understanding – please excuse me if I am wrong – that Joe Jackson is also a partner in a number of business ventures including his own record label and an as yet-to-be launched line of barbecue grills.
Keep your eye on Margaret Lodise, guardian ad litem for Mr. Jackson’s children. My guess is that her assessment will weigh heavily into any decision.
Remember, because Joe Jackson is not a beneficiary to Mr. Jackson’s Trust, he is not confined by the “no contest” clause. Although ill-advised, if he chooses, Joe Jackson can spend the remainder of his life TRYING to get a share – he will not succeed – and goodness knows, he will always be able to find an attorney to join his cause. Ultimately, only the lawyers will get richer and Joe Jackson will die with a mountain of legal bills for HIS estate.
We will all be reading about Mr. Jackson’s Estate for years to come.
Hope all is well in your corner of world! Please excuse any typos. Cheers.
As a matter of record I state I am in no way affiliated with the Estate of Michael Jackson.
**DISCLAIMER: This information is not intended to substitute for professional legal advice and does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should accept legal advice only from a licensed legal professional with whom you have an attorney-client relationship.
November 12th, 2009 at 8:02 am
mjuls,
Katherine has already said that she doesn’t object to Joe getting an allowance, so from what you’re saying it still remians for the guardian ad litem to agree. As with the money approved for Michael’s funeral, the final decision is with he judge, so that may be why the executors won’t oppose it. Why stick their necks out in opposing it when the judge will make the final decision anyway.
If the allowance is granted to Joe, I do wonder how much money the judge will approve. It does seem that some of the items submitted to the court are inflated–$1000/mo for groceries? $3500/mo for dining out?
One surprise was $1500 for rent. I was under the impression that Janet had bought the Las Vegas home for Joe.
I do know a little about probate but am far from an expert, so your insights are much appreciated.
Thanks.
November 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Thanks Mjuls for the answer. Who has been accusing you of being affiliated with the estate of Michael Jackson, you have added this to two of your comments? Why the need to cover yourself, you do sound like a lawyer and your research is always sound.
As for Lisa Presley, may I assume that she can leave the % to her heirs?
Debbie Rowe was the surprise witness in 2005, some say the reason for his acqittal, she claimed afterward that she just wanted contact with him again. He treated her with disdain and a well of cold-heartedness. Lisa was nowhere to be seen. And the constant cruel harangue about the financial deal and blah blah blah. Debbie Rowe settled this with Michael long before his death. Just leave it.
November 12th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I may be totally wrong, but I think Lisa was utterly confused about her ex-husband during the trial. She had really loved him (maybe still does, in a way) but the whole world seemed to be mocking her feelings. How could you love someone like him? Both Oprah and Diane Saywer almost laughed in her face, and she seemed embarrassed and bewildered. I respect her feelings for him though and I think she does herself too, now.
November 12th, 2009 at 11:23 am
I’ve never quite understood all the bad feelings about Debbie. I don’t think it’s hard to understand that someone who gave birth to 2 children, even under these unusual circumstances, might be concerned about those children after their father dies. No doubt Michael told her many things about Joe.
I do wonder now that Grace is back in the Jackson fold whether she is now influencing Katherine against Debbie. I’ve read the Debbie was upset when once during a visit with the children they called Grace, “mum”. That was some years ago.
It does seem strange that Michael thought his children didn’t need a mother as he said in an interview, yet he was supposedly close to his own mother. Then again, a lot of things Michael did seem strange to me.
November 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Yes, it’s strange about the lack of a mother. Had Debbie wanted to, they would probably have stayed married and she would have been around, even though he did most of the parenting thing. Had he had children with Lisa, the same would have applied.
But he did go home with Paris alone when she was born, leaving a (consenting) Debbie behind at the hospital. That is very, very strange. He didn’t seem to need another adult loving the children as much as he did, the shared experience. He put especially Blanket in an unprotected situation, with a different parentage than the tho elder.
MJ’s death was a real shock to me, but I have a hard time with all his mysteries. I believe his private life should have been more respected by the media, but there are too many mysteries. What, for instance, was the point of keeping the vitiligo a secret for years? Doing so only hurt him.
November 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I am with you, Axon. I called him the man of mystery last summer when the comments first started and was rebuked for it. In a way I think he was two people. Most of us cannot understand that huge career and the pressure and the fear of losing it and seeing it all go. But we all have-deep inside-some secret life that no one else sees. If we are careful and lucky, we can control that life and make it work for us. One thing that will loosen the control is drug abuse(another thing I was rebuked for voicing )now it seems to be the general consensus; that he was not acting as he would have wished or could have been or perhaps really was. Michael Jackson could be unbelievably cruel to women and men. He could be charming and whimsical and he was very smart. But drugs have you, you no longer have them. He was strong and he was weak, he probably asked himself the same questions we all ask ourselves: why can’t I be the person I want to be? Does anyone out there really love me? In his case, the skepticism that everyone wanted something from him and in many cases, they really did.
One of the characters in a Robin Williams movie asked” Why do people dress up and go to ‘Star Wars’ conventions? Dressed like the characters? The answer was. ‘because they can’t let them go.’
I really believe I will always miss him. He represented a time in my life that I no longer have. Besides, mystery is the stuff of Legend. MMH
November 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
axon – the problem with MJ’s marriage to Debbie is that he was still hung up on Lisa Marie, and vice versa. They left Debbie in California pregnant while the two of them traveled together around the world. MJ might have had fond feelings for Ms. Rowe, but it doesn’t appear that he felt the need to stay married to her once the kids were born.
This was cold-blooded on MJ’s part perhaps, but having children was of paramount importance to him, and the woman he did love refused. She had children with her first husband, and children by the current husband. Some have theorized that LMP was pressured by her mother – who hated MJ – or by Elvis’ racist fans not to have kids with MJ.
At any rate, here’s another similarity that Madonna could have mentioned in her tribute speech – they both hooked up with someone handy because they desperately wanted a child, and dismissed them after the kids were born.
MJ did reveal that he had vitiligo, but the media and much of the public flat out refused to believe him. As the Sammy Sosa coverage shows, many still think MJ intentionally lightened his skin, even though the vitiligo diagnosis has been confirmed by multiple physicians. The media tend to downplay any facts about MJ or his family that don’t conform to a dysfunctional image.
November 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
marymaudehenry – but who did he actually want to be? Even that is a mystery. For instance, he took the high pitched voice early on, in clips from the seventies you can hear he’s still struggling with it, then later his voice coach helped him so it sounded next to normal. Yet, he didn’t use it privately. Not even friends seem to understand.
Simba – I don’t think MJ especially wanted to marry Debbie at all, but I believe she was the one ultimately leaving, because she couldn’t stand the media scrutiny. Lisa Marie said she refused children because she doubted the marriage would last and could only see “the ugly custody battle”. I don’t think she’d mind a brown baby at all, and obviously at the time neither did MJ (as far as we know today).
It took a long time (until the Oprah interview) before he admitted to the vitiligo. I believed him, but not even Quincy Jones did (and still doesn’t), and that must have been hurtful to MJ. The disease and whether he wanted to be black or not are two separate issues. Personally I think he wanted to be lighter than he was, just as I would be a little bit darker than I am. But he certainly didn’t want to be a translucent white. Still, since he couldn’t control it, he should have told publicly earlier, for his own good. In some clips you can actually see his discolored arms, so he could have shown them on camera and explained. Most people would have understood and empathized.
November 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I didn’t think I was going to be able to see “This Is It”. Well went to see “This Is It” today. And it was GREAT!!!!! Did I say GREAT? I meant GREAT!!!!! I looked at him up there on that stage and I said WOW, this is just rehearsel. What would the live show in London have been like? I can only imagine. To see what he was working on and putting together for the concerts. WOW!! He was in my opinion the greatest entertainer of our time. Will never forget him. GONE GONE TO SOON!!!! Pray your soul is at peace MJ.
November 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
“Lisa Marie said she refused children because she doubted the marriage would last and could only see “the ugly custody battle”. I don’t think she’d mind a brown baby at all”
axon – are you posting from outside the US? If you are, then I don’t think you’re aware of the depth of racism here. Three out of LMP’s four marriages failed, but her poor track record didn’t stop her from having white children. For certain elements in her life, LMP giving birth to a brown baby would be untenable.
Vitiligo takes years to run its course. When MJ died, he still had patches of brown skin on his body. He didn’t display it, and he didn’t talk about it, which is understandable. Most people would NOT have understood and empathized. For example, as far as I know, MJ never expressed a wish to have lighter skin, but you believe that he did. It’s as if you think he did something to bleach his skin and it got out of hand. (Forgive me if I’m misrepresenting your intent.) Talking about vitiligo would have made no difference to how MJ was perceived by the public. There would still be those who would say he was lying.
November 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Simba, I’m with you on Lisa Marie having a brown baby. For LM PRESLEY to have a brown (considered black) baby who could never be white would be a real rebellion in her world. She probably thought it was an ok idea at first until others, including her mom made her realize the problems she would have with others, especially in the US.
Interesting to see what you all had to say about MJ mysteries, For me the biggest one is related to his kids. I just can’t understand why he wanted kids that are (or at least appear to be) white when he was black. I really find that extremely strange and sad, really. No matter what explanation I hear for it, it just doesn’t make any sense to me, so different from how I am, how most people are so pleased to see a little bit of themselves in their kids. And what do the kids think, what did MJ tell them, what will Katherine tell them? They would obviouly have noticed that they look different from their family members, including their dad. Also, I wonder if MJ left the information on each child’s biological parentage so that they could find out at some point, if they wanted to, or did those secrets really die with him. Hopefully, the kids will have their questions answered and grow up to be well-adjusted adults.
November 12th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Anna – You’re assuming that MJ is not the biological father of his children. But I don’t believe he went to such great lengths to be a father just to raise some other man’s offspring. Supposedly MJ was super eager to have kids with Lisa Marie because he believed that his genes mixed with Elvis’ would be create incredibly talented children.
Like most black Americans, MJ also had white and Native American ancestry. There could be no way to predict what his children would look like. Some of his brothers’ kids are also very light-skinned, and their mothers were not white. MJ’s kids resemble him and other members of the Jackson family. Prince Michael II is almost a clone of young MJ. (And there’s sadder proof of MJ’s paternity.) The children have aunts, uncles, and cousins of all shades and probably think nothing of it.
No one questions whether Quincy Jones is the father of his white-looking children. There’s no reason to doubt that MJ is the father of his.
November 13th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Simba – yes, you are indeed misrepresenting my intentions, but I understand why. I am very much aware of American racism, it has soared with your new president. I read a comment about him, his family and friends in a high brow newspaper – it said, horrified: “They are sleeping in the [White House] beds!” That’s deep it goes and how primitive it is.
MJ was young in the seventies, when one problem in the black community was black men wanting white women. They didn’t want to feel that way, but many did. MJ hurt many little black girls by always dating white women. He experienced racism, he was often the only black person in a club such as Studio 54, and there was an added component – he didn’t want to be, sound or look like his father.
He was ridiculed by his father for being “too black” and for his nose. He did make his nose thinner. That’s why I think he at least wanted to be lighter than he was, but he had no choice about bleaching his skin – he had too, to even the skin tone out on visible parts of his body.But I don’t believe he “hated his race”.
I see no resemblance whatsoever between MJ and any of his children. He was their true father, but I think not biologically, though I would be more than happy to be wrong. The explanation of light skin for the children is of course they have a white mother. The elder Prince looks a bit like his grandfather, that is true, I see that.
Quincy Jones is one of the people who loved MJ – “our souls are connected” – who believes MJ didn’t really want to be black.
November 13th, 2009 at 1:33 am
axon – believe me, there were plenty of black people at Studio 54 in its heyday – I know because I was there! Never saw MJ and Latoya there, though, darn it.
I don’t believe Joe ever said that MJ was “too black”. But I think that MJ’s management made the strategic decision to highlight his friendships with Brooke Shields and Tatum O’Neal to increase his crossover appeal. (Tatum’s management warned her about being seen with “that n*****”.) He also dated Stephanie Mills, but you seldom see it mentioned in the mainstream media. And his first great love was Diana Ross.
If you don’t see any resemblance between MJ and his kids, well, I guess you just don’t see it.
As for Quincy Jones, he seems to be yet another one of MJ’s fairweather friends. Since MJ’s death, he has said some very negative things about him. Some people think Quincy is the one who doesn’t want to be black. There’s a very funny joke about it that unfortunately is too dirty to post here!
November 13th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Make that “great grandfather”.
LMP – well, they were married in the nineties, and b/w marriages were not that unusual then. She sounds like a sensible person to me. I don’t know if you mean it would be difficult for her to have MJ’s children because a lot of Elvis’s fans would hate to have a brown baby in the “dynasty” – if they feel that way, it would be ironic, since Elvis borrowed much of his music from black music. I think she reconsidered mainly because he was unusual as a person and had such a wild desire to become a father. She may have feared there would be difficulties for her to have access to her own children after a divorce. And that’s indeed what happened to all three children – no mothers. MJ didn’t actively keep mothers in their lives. And while he was vulnerable and fragile, he was also very strong.
November 13th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Simba – we cross-posted!
Sadly, I wasn’t at Studio 54 when I was in NYC in the seventies, but in all pictures I’ve seen, there are about 99% white people in the “VIP room”. You can hear a telephone clip of Stephanie Mills at Youtube, she says she was his only “chocolate drop”, no other black girlfriends (but yes, he did adore Diana Ross), and she did his laundry and they kissed, but never had sex.
There’s also the “Glenda” telephone tapes (also at youtube), where he says his father always told him “you have such a big nose, you can’t be mine”, and “you’re too black, you can’t be mine”. He certainly got the message from family and society that broad nose and black skin = not perfect.
I don’t think you could say that Jones was a fairweather friend, that’s not fair. They made music history together that will never go away. Then MJ dumped him (because he didn’t believe the vitiligo and didn’t like the nose job? Who knows) and the tragedy of MJ’s death must have been a hard blow resulting in many mixed feelings. I think he’s grieving like hell.
November 13th, 2009 at 8:11 am
I did hear the tape of the telephone conversation in which Michael did say the Joe used to criticize Michael for being too black and made fun of the size of his nose. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqIJuyFn98
Part 1 is interesting too. It shows how much Michael liked giving his father money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5srrwnGhUqs
As I understand it the story behind the tapes is that Glenda’s husband taped Glenda’s phone conversations without her knowledge. I guess he was jealous/suspicious of her (???), and the tapes were used in Michael’s trial. At least this is what I gather.
November 13th, 2009 at 9:44 am
There’s a lot in those tapes. One of the things he’s saying is that he’d like to understand about a deep relationship with a woman “before I die”. He mentions an upcoming tour to Germany and LaToya’s book, s someone more knowledgeable about everything Michael could easily date the tapes, I suppose.
November 13th, 2009 at 9:53 am
axon, you’ve summed it up: Many aspects of MJ’s life were indeed ironic. But not superficial. Quincy Jones was in demand back in the day and would not devote the time to MJ’s work that MJ felt was necessary, so he learned to get along without him. It was strictly business, but it must have been a blow to Quincy’s ego. He trashed MJ before the man was in the ground, denigrating his talent and his personal life. It’s a strange – ironic? – way to express grief.
As for LMP, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I simply cannot imagine her with a brown baby in her arms. And if she’d had one, I cannot imagine a custody fight with MJ. The kid would be all his, no problem.
Stephanie Mills wasn’t around MJ for many years, so she wouldn’t know if she was his only black girlfriend. He installed Grace Rwaramba as a mother figure to his children, and it’s been reported by other employees that the two of them were also in a long-term relationship. MJ seemed attracted by the young black ladies in This Is It, and was it really her cooking that made him want Kai Chase to accompany the family to London? I don’t think MJ discriminated when it came to women.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:17 am
axon,
The intro to tape 1 says it was taped in the early 90’s.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Did Quincy Jones denigrate Michael’s talent? I didn’t hear that. I saw him interviewed and read his article. He said he wanted to work with MJ because MJ was open and ready to listen, and indeed he was. Jones was critical of white skin and having white kids, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t feel for MJ. I think he did.
You can’t imagine LMP with a brown baby in her arms, but maybe she could? And how come you’d think they’d be “all his”? As far as I know, America is not Iran – the father has not exclusive right to the children, fortunately. LMP and MJ had a love relationship, so that was certainly not about her being a surrogate or providing him with children as a gift – not for her, and I don’t think for him either.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:26 am
As for Grace, he fired an reinstalled her several times. Would she have taken that, if they’d been lovers? Of course they must have been close over all those years, but more than that…? Well, only she knows. (I don’t think sleeping in Michael’s room necessarily means an intimate relationship.)
November 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Just Guessing: Thanks!
Damn, it’s all so sad. This man got almost everything he wanted out of life, and it’s still sad. Go figure.
November 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I thought Roger said in one of his articles that Grace had recently remarried in the last few years.
I really don’t think she and Michael were lovers. There was also that woman in London who is a doctor (PhD)…I can’t think of her name.
November 13th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
JG: You mean Susan Etok. They were not lovers, either, as it seems. She came to US and has started a site solely about MJ. Some fans complain she’s not very orientated about all things MJ. I think her purpose has to do with stopping frivolous drug prescriptions.
November 13th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Axon, You asked me about his high-pitched voice, I was an opera singer for over 20 years and have been a singing teacher and acting teacher ever since. My opinion may take a while to put together, do you still want to hear it or is the question irrelevant in the face of the brown baby discussion? Lisa Presley has always seemed to be a free spirit to me, the marriage didn’t last long, WHY is the question and perhaps the reason why she was unwilling to produce a child on command. Let me know Axon. MMH
November 13th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
That’s right, Etok is the name. The one that wrote to President Obama and addressed him as “Barack”…Jeez
November 13th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
axon – “Did Quincy Jones denigrate Michael’s talent?”
Yes, in an interview recently in a Spanish newspaper, he said that MJ was not that talented.
“Jones was critical of white skin and having white kids, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t feel for MJ.”
Quincy Jones has seven half-white children, some of whom are whiter than MJ’s kids. He was so critical of white skin he married white women three times and had children with two others. The man is a hypocrite. He knows MJ had vitiligo. He is jealous, angry, and bitter, because MJ outgrew him and used younger, edgier producers. He was great in his time, but his time died long before MJ did.
“As for Grace, he fired an reinstalled her several times. Would she have taken that, if they’d been lovers?”
Absolutely. She’s been obsessed with MJ since she was a schoolgirl. If she’d been just a nanny, she would have moved on.
Bottom line, I don’t believe that MJ lived his life in misery. I’m sure there were plenty of times when he was quite content and happy in his work. But boy, was he ever surrounded by vultures and leeches, disguised as concerned friends!
November 13th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
marymaudehenry – you are? I need a voice coach!
Seriously – yes, I asked about MJ: “but who did he actually want to be? Even that is a mystery. For instance, he took the high pitched voice early on, in clips from the seventies you can hear he’s still struggling with it, then later his voice coach helped him so it sounded next to normal. Yet, he didn’t use it privately. Not even friends seem to understand.”
Yes, the voice is mystery, because either he used it because he wanted to sing in the high range or because he didn’t want people to hear his manly voice, why would he not keep it privately? many people say he was just a regular guy in plaid shirts and jeans, with a normal voice and completely able do drink and curse. What do you think?
November 13th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
This is off topic but funny as heck. It’s Jon Stewart sticking it to Fox News. I thought Roger might enjoy it. I especially liked the bit with the teddy bear. LOL
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-12-2009/sean-hannity-apologizes-to-jon
November 13th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
BTW, there has never been the slightest evidence that MJ ever even met Susan Etok. He was always agreeable to having his picture taken with fans, but she has yet to produce even one snapshot of herself with him. She claims to be concerned about prescription drug abuse, but she’s not a physician. (And I’m sure only Michelle and his close friends refer to the President of the United States as Barack. When JFK was in the White House, his own brothers addressed him as Mr. President.)
She claimed that MJ was obsessed with her genes and wanted her to bear a child for him. At one time, she put forth the idea that she was Blanket’s mother, just so she could plausibly deny it. And the kicker – she was given air time by Diane Dimond. Game over!
November 14th, 2009 at 12:43 am
I grew up with the Jacksons the first go round, and I have to say, if I ever caught Joe in an alley, I would give him the beat down of life. He single-handedly fucked up an entire family in his stage dad quest for fame. I was friends of Randy’s first girlfriend, and others and even met them once, on accident, and let them be.
Joe did not ever give them any leeway and only left them with self hatred, loathing, and a fear of not performing up to the standards he set.
Above all, he wants 1500 for rent, 2500 for eating out, and 3500 for hotels, per month. I guess the price of pussy just went up!!??
Why can’t he eat at Al Sharpton’s house, since he and Al are such good friends, when Jessie Jackson was kicked out of the playhouse?
Let Joe do Witnessing Jehovah style, and let other folks feed him if they want, or not. Let my brother Joseph get a, what do you call it, oh, yeah~ a job.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Joe jackson got bit in the butt for what he did to michael and when michael was alive he was great father to his kids so joe dont get mad and leave it alone rip mj your kids are well remember they love you and know what your baby girl said i will repeat what she said ” Ever since i was little girl daddy has been the best father you can imange and i just wanted that i love him so much”
November 15th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
>>>Simba – it’s ironic that none of the above-mentioned women can say they had an intimate relationship with MJJ. They all seem to be platonic friends but not lovers. I wish one of them would prove me wrong. What are they afraid of if they come out?
November 16th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Etok claims she put photos of her and MJ on her website, but had to take them down again because of hate mail. Unusual.
Tatiana: Maybe there is not much in the way of intimate relationships to come out about? I hope that at least one or two lovers beside LMP exist but are keeping silent.
Liberace’s lover claimed he and MJ had one very hot sexual encounter way back when (this man says he’s not gay, either). He says he passed a lie detector test over his story and challenged MJ to do the same.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:14 am
axon – over the years, many “journalists” have tried their level best to prove that MJ was gay, and not one could ever find a credible male lover, and that includes Liberace’s ex. (Now that he is dead, Dr. Klein’s bizarrely unattractive office manager claims that he had romantic encounters with MJ. Consider the source.)
Why should any lover of MJ’s “come forward”? Unless it has bearing on his death, it’s none of the public’s business. It’s hard to recall any other human being who has been subjected to such unseemly scrutiny of every aspect of his life, and even his body, as Michael Jackson.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
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Whereas I may “don my legal cap” to breakdown broader elements of the legal process as it pertains to the Estate of Michael Jackson for my fellow Commenters, it should be plainly understood that (1) I do so as a private individual and not in my professional capacity, and (2) not as a representative of any of the parties involved with the Estate.
Hope that clears things up! Cheers!
November 17th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Mjuls: I don’t own my own postings here? Then I better stop posting.
Simba: “It’s hard to recall any other human being who has been subjected to such unseemly scrutiny of every aspect of his life, and even his body, as Michael Jackson.” You’re right, and I suppose that’s the unfortunate result of people feeling so close to him, either they think they love or hate him.
November 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am
>>>Simba – inquiring minds want to know that’s why. No harm no foul. The die hard fans of MJJ won’t believe it will they if MJJ was not a hot blooded heterosexual male as they’re trying to portray him to be. I think we want ALL details – why he was allegedly murdered, or did he plan his death. MJJ fascinated all. So I’m glad that someone will get to the bottom of it all and bring out the truth.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Axon and Simba: I did see the one picture of Etok and Michael on her web blog. The reason that she recieved hate mail was something to do with the fact that Fat Arnie and Mark Lester were in the photo!! All the vultures in one room.
March 10th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
I learned a lot from this entry and will definitely keep it in my RSS. Thanks for the effort you took to expand upon this subject so deeply. I look forward to future posts.